Discussion:
Time synching weirdness
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Yost, Donald
2007-01-05 18:17:45 UTC
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Hello all,

I run a 4-node cluster of alphaservers running OpenVMS v7.3-2, Multinet
4.4a.

Three times last year the date/time setting in my cluster spontaneously
jumped ahead 1 full day, 24 hours exactly. The first time was on April
14th. The second time was on November 16th, and the last time was on
December 28th. After the second occurrence I adjusted my ntp.conf file
to remove all peer servers and now have all nodes synching to the same 2
internet sites and one internal router. (Our network engineers defend
themselves admirably that none of this stems from this router.) The only
difference is that this adjustment seems to have allowed the system to
correct itself automatically 12 minutes later after the third occurrence
on 12/28.

Each time this has happened it appears to have been at exactly 11:00 AM
EST.

Operator.log shows nothing about this actual event, but I can see from
other logged events when the time changed.

1. Has anyone seen anything like this?
2. Does anyone know what else I can look at to determine the cause
of this?

The ramifications of this are huge for our organization, and getting
ever bigger as we add more application to our system. Any help at all is
greatly appreciated, and I won't be offended by any suggestions, no
matter how simple. Thanks very much.

Don Yost
Information Systems
Martha Jefferson Hospital
(434)982-7076





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2007-01-05 19:03:59 UTC
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Post by Yost, Donald
Hello all,
I run a 4-node cluster of alphaservers running OpenVMS v7.3-2, Multinet
4.4a.
Three times last year the date/time setting in my cluster spontaneously
jumped ahead 1 full day, 24 hours exactly. The first time was on April
14th. The second time was on November 16th, and the last time was on
December 28th. After the second occurrence I adjusted my ntp.conf file
to remove all peer servers and now have all nodes synching to the same 2
internet sites and one internal router. (Our network engineers defend
themselves admirably that none of this stems from this router.) The only
difference is that this adjustment seems to have allowed the system to
correct itself automatically 12 minutes later after the third occurrence
on 12/28.
Each time this has happened it appears to have been at exactly 11:00 AM
EST.
Operator.log shows nothing about this actual event, but I can see from
other logged events when the time changed.
1. Has anyone seen anything like this?
2. Does anyone know what else I can look at to determine the cause
of this?
The ramifications of this are huge for our organization, and getting
ever bigger as we add more application to our system. Any help at all is
greatly appreciated, and I won't be offended by any suggestions, no
matter how simple. Thanks very much.
You might check and see if any MULTINET:NTPD.LOG or XNTPD.LOG files
exist and whether they contain anything interesting.
Winters, Tad
2007-01-05 21:55:25 UTC
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It's been a while since I've set up NTP, but I seem to remember some
kind of sanity parameter that ignored any changes that were more than
4000 seconds. Perhaps the choice of value was my own, but it would
prevent the system from having its time mangled by a system providing
time that is outside of the reasonable.



Tad Winters

OpenVMS Manager/Analyst/Consultant

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From: Yost, Donald [mailto:***@mjh.org]
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 10:18 AM
To: Multinet Listserver
Subject: Time synching weirdness



Hello all,

I run a 4-node cluster of alphaservers running OpenVMS v7.3-2, Multinet
4.4a.

Three times last year the date/time setting in my cluster spontaneously
jumped ahead 1 full day, 24 hours exactly. The first time was on April
14th. The second time was on November 16th, and the last time was on
December 28th. After the second occurrence I adjusted my ntp.conf file
to remove all peer servers and now have all nodes synching to the same 2
internet sites and one internal router. (Our network engineers defend
themselves admirably that none of this stems from this router.) The only
difference is that this adjustment seems to have allowed the system to
correct itself automatically 12 minutes later after the third occurrence
on 12/28.

Each time this has happened it appears to have been at exactly 11:00 AM
EST.

Operator.log shows nothing about this actual event, but I can see from
other logged events when the time changed.

1. Has anyone seen anything like this?
2. Does anyone know what else I can look at to determine the cause
of this?

The ramifications of this are huge for our organization, and getting
ever bigger as we add more application to our system. Any help at all is
greatly appreciated, and I won't be offended by any suggestions, no
matter how simple. Thanks very much.

Don Yost
Information Systems
Martha Jefferson Hospital
(434)982-7076

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