Discussion:
Running a news server on OpenVMS
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Jim Mehlhop
2006-10-19 20:59:43 UTC
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I'd like to know how to set up my VMS box as a news server. I am
running Multinet 5.1 and OpenVMS8.2 Alpha on a PWS500au with 640 meg and
about 60 GB of free disk space. I could probably dedicate an 18GB
disk for this.

Is there any documentation for this?


Jim
Ken Connelly
2006-10-19 21:20:09 UTC
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In the long, LONG ago days, I used to run ANU-News here. That worked
okay, but the VMS filesystem really isn't well-suited for news because
the device holding the articles will become VERY fragmented VERY
quickly. I was trying to run a fairly complete feed at the time. If
you were looking at a limited number of newsgroups, then this might be
more of a doable thing.

- ken
Post by Jim Mehlhop
I'd like to know how to set up my VMS box as a news server. I am
running Multinet 5.1 and OpenVMS8.2 Alpha on a PWS500au with 640 meg
and about 60 GB of free disk space. I could probably dedicate an
18GB disk for this.
Is there any documentation for this?
Jim
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ITS Network Services University of Northern Iowa
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Jim Mehlhop
2006-10-19 21:50:44 UTC
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Post by Ken Connelly
In the long, LONG ago days, I used to run ANU-News here. That
worked okay, but the VMS filesystem really isn't well-suited for
news because the device holding the articles will become VERY
fragmented VERY quickly. I was trying to run a fairly complete feed
at the time. If you were looking at a limited number of newsgroups,
then this might be more of a doable thing.
I was looking to run a limited number of news groups. Also since I
am running V8.2 the directory can handle more files. The
fragmentation issue could be a pain.

How does one go about gettting/running ANU-News

Jim
Post by Ken Connelly
- ken
Post by Jim Mehlhop
I'd like to know how to set up my VMS box as a news server. I am
running Multinet 5.1 and OpenVMS8.2 Alpha on a PWS500au with 640
meg and about 60 GB of free disk space. I could probably dedicate
an 18GB disk for this.
Is there any documentation for this?
Jim
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ITS Network Services University of Northern Iowa
It's much more important to know what you don't know than what you do know!
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Manuel J Norman
2006-10-19 23:11:02 UTC
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When we had VMS we also ran ANU News, but we used Diskeeper, which
kept down the fragmentation. I was not involved with the news server,
but I had control over Diskeeper. I don't know if this helps.

Manny.

Manuel J. Norman
Platform Specialist Senior
Eastern Michigan University
ICT/ATCS
Ypsilanti MI 48197
Phone: 734-487-4586
email: ***@emich.edu

----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Connelly <***@uni.edu>
Date: Thursday, October 19, 2006 5:20 pm
Subject: Re: Running a news server on OpenVMS
Post by Ken Connelly
In the long, LONG ago days, I used to run ANU-News here. That
worked
okay, but the VMS filesystem really isn't well-suited for news
because
the device holding the articles will become VERY fragmented VERY
quickly. I was trying to run a fairly complete feed at the time.
If
you were looking at a limited number of newsgroups, then this
might be
more of a doable thing.
- ken
Post by Jim Mehlhop
I'd like to know how to set up my VMS box as a news server. I
am
Post by Jim Mehlhop
running Multinet 5.1 and OpenVMS8.2 Alpha on a PWS500au with 640
meg
Post by Jim Mehlhop
and about 60 GB of free disk space. I could probably dedicate
an
Post by Jim Mehlhop
18GB disk for this.
Is there any documentation for this?
Jim
--
- Ken
=================================================================
Ken Connelly Associate Director, Security and Systems
ITS Network Services University of Northern Iowa
It's much more important to know what you don't know than what you
do know!
Aaron Leonard
2006-10-20 00:42:48 UTC
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Hi Jim,

Back when I ran the U of Arizona's news server via ANU News on a
VAXstation 3176 (or something like that) with a good old Seagate Wren
.. that system could just barely keep up. For fragmentation, I stuck
the articles in a separate container disk (using one of the Joe Meadows
drivers ... I suppose modern VMS has a supported way to do this
nowadays.) You don't have to worry about fragmentation on the disk that
holds the articles (as long as you init the disk with a big enough
INDEXF.SYS to hold a bazillion tiny files), because the articles are
only take a couple of blocks anyway. (Except for the uuencoded porn,
but I suppose there's not much of that nowadays.)

Looks like some ANU News savesets can be found at
http://ftp.funet.fi/pub/vms/networking/anu-news/ - dating from
5-Oct-1993. No idea whether this is a good build or whether there's
anything newer/better.

Good luck,

Aaron

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Post by Manuel J Norman
When we had VMS we also ran ANU News, but we used Diskeeper, which
kept down the fragmentation. I was not involved with the news server,
but I had control over Diskeeper. I don't know if this helps.
Manny.
Manuel J. Norman
Platform Specialist Senior
Eastern Michigan University
ICT/ATCS
Ypsilanti MI 48197
Phone: 734-487-4586
----- Original Message -----
Date: Thursday, October 19, 2006 5:20 pm
Subject: Re: Running a news server on OpenVMS
Post by Ken Connelly
In the long, LONG ago days, I used to run ANU-News here. That
worked
okay, but the VMS filesystem really isn't well-suited for news
because
the device holding the articles will become VERY fragmented VERY
quickly. I was trying to run a fairly complete feed at the time.
If
you were looking at a limited number of newsgroups, then this
might be
more of a doable thing.
- ken
Post by Jim Mehlhop
I'd like to know how to set up my VMS box as a news server. I
am
Post by Jim Mehlhop
running Multinet 5.1 and OpenVMS8.2 Alpha on a PWS500au with 640
meg
Post by Jim Mehlhop
and about 60 GB of free disk space. I could probably dedicate
an
Post by Jim Mehlhop
18GB disk for this.
Is there any documentation for this?
Jim
--
- Ken
=================================================================
Ken Connelly Associate Director, Security and Systems
ITS Network Services University of Northern Iowa
It's much more important to know what you don't know than what you
do know!
Ken Connelly
2006-10-20 01:34:28 UTC
Permalink
The version that I still have here is 6.1b7. We no longer run our own
feed, but do provide the software as a client to read from a local ISP's
feed. I can zip what I have up and make it available to you if you
would want that.

-ken
Post by Ken Connelly
In the long, LONG ago days, I used to run ANU-News here. That worked
okay, but the VMS filesystem really isn't well-suited for news
because the device holding the articles will become VERY fragmented
VERY quickly. I was trying to run a fairly complete feed at the
time. If you were looking at a limited number of newsgroups, then
this might be more of a doable thing.
I was looking to run a limited number of news groups. Also since I am
running V8.2 the directory can handle more files. The fragmentation
issue could be a pain.
How does one go about gettting/running ANU-News
Jim
Post by Ken Connelly
- ken
Post by Jim Mehlhop
I'd like to know how to set up my VMS box as a news server. I am
running Multinet 5.1 and OpenVMS8.2 Alpha on a PWS500au with 640 meg
and about 60 GB of free disk space. I could probably dedicate an
18GB disk for this.
Is there any documentation for this?
Jim
--
- Ken
=================================================================
Ken Connelly Associate Director, Security and Systems
ITS Network Services University of Northern Iowa
It's much more important to know what you don't know than what you do
know!
Jim Mehlhop
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Jim Mehlhop
2006-10-20 21:01:58 UTC
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I'll let you know if I decide to go that way.

Thanks,
Jim
Post by Ken Connelly
The version that I still have here is 6.1b7. We no longer run our own
feed, but do provide the software as a client to read from a local ISP's
feed. I can zip what I have up and make it available to you if you
would want that.
-ken
Post by Ken Connelly
In the long, LONG ago days, I used to run ANU-News here. That worked
okay, but the VMS filesystem really isn't well-suited for news
because the device holding the articles will become VERY fragmented
VERY quickly. I was trying to run a fairly complete feed at the
time. If you were looking at a limited number of newsgroups, then
this might be more of a doable thing.
I was looking to run a limited number of news groups. Also since I am
running V8.2 the directory can handle more files. The fragmentation
issue could be a pain.
How does one go about gettting/running ANU-News
Jim
Post by Ken Connelly
- ken
Post by Jim Mehlhop
I'd like to know how to set up my VMS box as a news server. I am
running Multinet 5.1 and OpenVMS8.2 Alpha on a PWS500au with 640 meg
and about 60 GB of free disk space. I could probably dedicate an
18GB disk for this.
Is there any documentation for this?
Jim
--
- Ken
=================================================================
Ken Connelly Associate Director, Security and Systems
ITS Network Services University of Northern Iowa
It's much more important to know what you don't know than what you do
know!
Jim Mehlhop
Join Cauce to outlaw spam
http://www.cauce.org/
Arne Vajhøj
2006-10-20 01:39:06 UTC
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Post by Jim Mehlhop
I'd like to know how to set up my VMS box as a news server. I am
running Multinet 5.1 and OpenVMS8.2 Alpha on a PWS500au with 640 meg and
about 60 GB of free disk space. I could probably dedicate an 18GB disk
for this.
Is there any documentation for this?
Running a NNTP server is a real disk trasher.

10 years ago the most used NNTP server for VMS was
ANUNEWS.

You could try and find it.

Arne
Paul Sture
2006-10-20 02:19:59 UTC
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Post by Arne Vajhøj
Post by Jim Mehlhop
I'd like to know how to set up my VMS box as a news server. I am
running Multinet 5.1 and OpenVMS8.2 Alpha on a PWS500au with 640 meg and
about 60 GB of free disk space. I could probably dedicate an 18GB disk
for this.
Is there any documentation for this?
Running a NNTP server is a real disk trasher.
10 years ago the most used NNTP server for VMS was
ANUNEWS.
You could try and find it.
Arne
There is a version of ANUNEWS on the Freeware 4 CDs.

http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware40/ANU-NEWS/
--
Paul Sture
Marc Chametzky
2006-10-20 03:58:22 UTC
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The last news server I ran on VMS was DNEWS (from NetWin). It worked
much better on VMS since it used larger files that could contain
hundreds of individual news items in them

Unfortunately, they stopped developing the VMS version many years ago. I
don't even know whether they still have it available for download.

--Marc
George Cook
2006-10-20 05:19:03 UTC
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Post by Marc Chametzky
The last news server I ran on VMS was DNEWS (from NetWin). It worked
much better on VMS since it used larger files that could contain
hundreds of individual news items in them
Unfortunately, they stopped developing the VMS version many years ago. I
don't even know whether they still have it available for download.
We still run DNEWS on our cluster. It works very well on VMS with any
TCP/IP which provides UCX emulation. NetWin no longer develops it for
any platform, but I believe the last VMS version is still in the download
area. It does, however, require a license key. You might be able to
talk them out of a key depending on what you plan to use it for (the
license was free for educational use).

I also have the last version (V6.2-1) of ANUNews along with a patch or
two for it if you need a copy.


George Cook
WVNET
Jim Mehlhop
2006-10-20 21:04:07 UTC
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Post by George Cook
Post by Marc Chametzky
The last news server I ran on VMS was DNEWS (from NetWin). It worked
much better on VMS since it used larger files that could contain
hundreds of individual news items in them
Unfortunately, they stopped developing the VMS version many years ago. I
don't even know whether they still have it available for download.
We still run DNEWS on our cluster. It works very well on VMS with any
TCP/IP which provides UCX emulation. NetWin no longer develops it for
any platform, but I believe the last VMS version is still in the download
area. It does, however, require a license key. You might be able to
talk them out of a key depending on what you plan to use it for (the
license was free for educational use).
I also have the last version (V6.2-1) of ANUNews along with a patch or
two for it if you need a copy.
George Cook
WVNET
Thanks, I'll let you know.

Jim
Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER
2006-10-20 10:38:19 UTC
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Post by Jim Mehlhop
I'd like to know how to set up my VMS box as a news server. I am
running Multinet 5.1 and OpenVMS8.2 Alpha on a PWS500au with 640 meg and
about 60 GB of free disk space. I could probably dedicate an 18GB
disk for this.
Problem is that there is no current news server software for OpenVMS.

There used to be DNEWS from NETWINSITE (which I still use at home)
and ANUNEWS freeware. Both have been discontinued many years ago, but
still might work (I don't know if I could reinstall DNEWS if I need to
but it still runs on my V8.2 - and I still have problems - like premature
expiration of posts - which won't get fixed anymore - but I can't blame
them, they got me my licenses for free! Thanks again, folks).

If you have more than one disk, run VOLSHAD every time!

If you want to run a news server, think how many groups you want to run
and if they are binary (Binary groups are umpteen GB a day, so a 18GB will
last a couple of minutes/hours). Make your the disk is not a IDE disk, but
SCSI. IDE disks are only for storing the data (not for using the data then).
Both my new 160GB IDE disks (with an ACARD USCSI Converter on my PWS433au)
died within days after being used by the newsserver (I got a warranty
replacement for both of them).
--
Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER
Network and OpenVMS system specialist
E-mail ***@langstoeger.at
A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist
Schroeder, AJ
2006-10-20 17:39:45 UTC
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Post by Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER
Post by Jim Mehlhop
I'd like to know how to set up my VMS box as a news server. I am
running Multinet 5.1 and OpenVMS8.2 Alpha on a PWS500au with 640 meg
and about 60 GB of free disk space. I could probably dedicate an
18GB disk for this.
Problem is that there is no current news server software for OpenVMS.
Now there would be a project for someone - port INN over to OpenVMS.
Post by Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER
There used to be DNEWS from NETWINSITE (which I still use at home)
and ANUNEWS freeware. Both have been discontinued many years ago, but
still might work (I don't know if I could reinstall DNEWS if I need to
but it still runs on my V8.2 - and I still have problems - like premature
expiration of posts - which won't get fixed anymore - but I can't blame
them, they got me my licenses for free! Thanks again, folks).
If you have more than one disk, run VOLSHAD every time!
If you want to run a news server, think how many groups you want to run
and if they are binary (Binary groups are umpteen GB a day, so a 18GB will
last a couple of minutes/hours). Make your the disk is not a IDE disk, but
SCSI. IDE disks are only for storing the data (not for using the data then).
Both my new 160GB IDE disks (with an ACARD USCSI Converter on my PWS433au)
died within days after being used by the newsserver (I got a warranty
replacement for both of them).
I run the news server for our company on *nix, which is a full text feed
with a couple of binary hierarchies, and it averages about 40 GB inbound and
40GB outbound of traffic. A couple of my text-only peers are averaging
anywhere between 500-1000 MB per day, with tens of thousands of articles.

With that being said not only do you need a big internet link, you need
disks that can handle a lot of I/O. (like a HSG80 at minimum with RAID 0 or
0+1) AFAIK, the older versions of DNEWS do not have any other storage
mechanisms than a "traditional" spool - which is every article is stored in
a separate file, and I don't think VMS deals well with I/O of that
magnitude. There are other methods that try and deal with the huge volume of
usenet. INN has what is called CNFS (Cyclical News File System) that stores
articles into large buffers rather than separate files. I do not know about
ANUNEWS. For a full feed, some sort of buffered storage mechanism is a *must
have* for a full feed.

I don't know what your intentions are for your newsfeed (full feed,
text-only) and for readership on your server (do you plan on being relay
only or having readers on the same machine?) But if you plan on going with a
full feed, you are looking at 250-300 GB per day of data. :)
Jim Mehlhop
2006-10-20 20:56:22 UTC
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Post by Schroeder, AJ
Post by Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER
Post by Jim Mehlhop
I'd like to know how to set up my VMS box as a news server. I am
running Multinet 5.1 and OpenVMS8.2 Alpha on a PWS500au with 640 meg
and about 60 GB of free disk space. I could probably dedicate an
18GB disk for this.
Problem is that there is no current news server software for OpenVMS.
Now there would be a project for someone - port INN over to OpenVMS.
Post by Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER
There used to be DNEWS from NETWINSITE (which I still use at home)
and ANUNEWS freeware. Both have been discontinued many years ago, but
still might work (I don't know if I could reinstall DNEWS if I need to
but it still runs on my V8.2 - and I still have problems - like premature
expiration of posts - which won't get fixed anymore - but I can't blame
them, they got me my licenses for free! Thanks again, folks).
If you have more than one disk, run VOLSHAD every time!
If you want to run a news server, think how many groups you want to run
and if they are binary (Binary groups are umpteen GB a day, so a 18GB will
last a couple of minutes/hours). Make your the disk is not a IDE disk, but
SCSI. IDE disks are only for storing the data (not for using the data then).
Both my new 160GB IDE disks (with an ACARD USCSI Converter on my PWS433au)
died within days after being used by the newsserver (I got a warranty
replacement for both of them).
I run the news server for our company on *nix, which is a full text feed
with a couple of binary hierarchies, and it averages about 40 GB inbound and
40GB outbound of traffic. A couple of my text-only peers are averaging
anywhere between 500-1000 MB per day, with tens of thousands of articles.
With that being said not only do you need a big internet link, you need
disks that can handle a lot of I/O. (like a HSG80 at minimum with RAID 0 or
0+1) AFAIK, the older versions of DNEWS do not have any other storage
mechanisms than a "traditional" spool - which is every article is stored in
a separate file, and I don't think VMS deals well with I/O of that
magnitude. There are other methods that try and deal with the huge volume of
usenet. INN has what is called CNFS (Cyclical News File System) that stores
articles into large buffers rather than separate files. I do not know about
ANUNEWS. For a full feed, some sort of buffered storage mechanism is a *must
have* for a full feed.
I don't know what your intentions are for your newsfeed (full feed,
text-only) and for readership on your server (do you plan on being relay
only or having readers on the same machine?) But if you plan on going with a
full feed, you are looking at 250-300 GB per day of data. :)
was looking to feed COV and the networking newsgroups so not a lot of
bandwidth. :-)
Ruslan R. Laishev
2006-10-20 08:27:41 UTC
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Hello, Jim!

I running for the past 10 years this NNTP server:

http://starlet.deltatel.ru/~laishev/nntp/
Post by Jim Mehlhop
I'd like to know how to set up my VMS box as a news server. I am
running Multinet 5.1 and OpenVMS8.2 Alpha on a PWS500au with 640 meg and
about 60 GB of free disk space. I could probably dedicate an 18GB disk
for this.
Is there any documentation for this?
Jim
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Jim Mehlhop
2006-10-20 14:04:45 UTC
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Thanks Ruslan,

I saw some datatrieve in there and Pthreads so I assume performance and
disk fragmentation is not as bad as everyone is telling me about ANU (
Which I couldn't find anymore at the old web site anyway).
Post by Ruslan R. Laishev
Hello, Jim!
http://starlet.deltatel.ru/~laishev/nntp/
Post by Jim Mehlhop
I'd like to know how to set up my VMS box as a news server. I am
running Multinet 5.1 and OpenVMS8.2 Alpha on a PWS500au with 640 meg
and about 60 GB of free disk space. I could probably dedicate an
18GB disk for this.
Is there any documentation for this?
Jim
Jim Mehlhop
2006-10-20 14:05:14 UTC
Permalink
Thanks Ruslan,

I saw some datatrieve in there and Pthreads so I assume performance and
disk fragmentation is not as bad as everyone is telling me about ANU (
Which I couldn't find anymore at the old web site anyway).
Post by Ruslan R. Laishev
Hello, Jim!
http://starlet.deltatel.ru/~laishev/nntp/
Post by Jim Mehlhop
I'd like to know how to set up my VMS box as a news server. I am
running Multinet 5.1 and OpenVMS8.2 Alpha on a PWS500au with 640 meg
and about 60 GB of free disk space. I could probably dedicate an
18GB disk for this.
Is there any documentation for this?
Jim
Jim Mehlhop
2006-10-20 14:06:45 UTC
Permalink
Thanks Ruslan,

I saw some datatrieve in there and Pthreads so I assume performance and
disk fragmentation is not as bad as everyone is telling me about ANU (
Which I couldn't find anymore at the old web site anyway).
Post by Ruslan R. Laishev
Hello, Jim!
http://starlet.deltatel.ru/~laishev/nntp/
Post by Jim Mehlhop
I'd like to know how to set up my VMS box as a news server. I am
running Multinet 5.1 and OpenVMS8.2 Alpha on a PWS500au with 640 meg
and about 60 GB of free disk space. I could probably dedicate an
18GB disk for this.
Is there any documentation for this?
Jim
Jim Mehlhop
2006-10-20 14:08:14 UTC
Permalink
Thanks Ruslan,

I saw some datatrieve in there and Pthreads so I assume performance and
disk fragmentation is not as bad as everyone is telling me about ANU (
Which I couldn't find anymore at the old web site anyway).
Post by Ruslan R. Laishev
Hello, Jim!
http://starlet.deltatel.ru/~laishev/nntp/
Post by Jim Mehlhop
I'd like to know how to set up my VMS box as a news server. I am
running Multinet 5.1 and OpenVMS8.2 Alpha on a PWS500au with 640 meg
and about 60 GB of free disk space. I could probably dedicate an
18GB disk for this.
Is there any documentation for this?
Jim
Jim Mehlhop
2006-10-20 14:08:52 UTC
Permalink
Thanks Ruslan,

I saw some datatrieve in there and Pthreads so I assume performance and
disk fragmentation is not as bad as everyone is telling me about ANU (
Which I couldn't find anymore at the old web site anyway).
Post by Ruslan R. Laishev
Hello, Jim!
http://starlet.deltatel.ru/~laishev/nntp/
Post by Jim Mehlhop
I'd like to know how to set up my VMS box as a news server. I am
running Multinet 5.1 and OpenVMS8.2 Alpha on a PWS500au with 640 meg
and about 60 GB of free disk space. I could probably dedicate an
18GB disk for this.
Is there any documentation for this?
Jim
Ruslan R. Laishev
2006-10-20 17:08:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jim Mehlhop
Thanks Ruslan,
I saw some datatrieve in there and Pthreads so I assume performance and
disk fragmentation is not as bad as everyone is telling me about ANU (
Which I couldn't find anymore at the old web site anyway).
ANU have not support ACL, also it's keep article in separated files...
Post by Jim Mehlhop
Post by Ruslan R. Laishev
Hello, Jim!
http://starlet.deltatel.ru/~laishev/nntp/
Post by Jim Mehlhop
I'd like to know how to set up my VMS box as a news server. I am
running Multinet 5.1 and OpenVMS8.2 Alpha on a PWS500au with 640 meg
and about 60 GB of free disk space. I could probably dedicate an
18GB disk for this.
Is there any documentation for this?
Jim
--
Cheers, Ruslan.
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ICQ: 319518233, Skype: SysMan-One, Mobile: +7 (812) 716-3222
Yi, Ung
2006-10-20 10:40:47 UTC
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It would be relatively cheap to run a news server on an intel linux box.

Yi

________________________________

From: Arne Vajhøj [mailto:***@vajhoej.dk]
Sent: Thu 10/19/2006 9:39 PM
To: info-***@process.com
Subject: Re: Running a news server on OpenVMS
Post by Jim Mehlhop
I'd like to know how to set up my VMS box as a news server. I am
running Multinet 5.1 and OpenVMS8.2 Alpha on a PWS500au with 640 meg and
about 60 GB of free disk space. I could probably dedicate an 18GB disk
for this.
Is there any documentation for this?
Running a NNTP server is a real disk trasher.

10 years ago the most used NNTP server for VMS was
ANUNEWS.

You could try and find it.

Arne
Bob Koehler
2006-10-20 12:27:03 UTC
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Post by Yi, Ung
It would be relatively cheap to run a news server on an intel linux box.
=20
Yi
Which the OP obviously doesn't want to do, and which would likely
lead to a higher TCO.
Jim Mehlhop
2006-10-20 14:12:30 UTC
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Going to see what Ruslan's version can do I think.
Post by Ken Connelly
The version that I still have here is 6.1b7. We no longer run our
own feed, but do provide the software as a client to read from a
local ISP's feed. I can zip what I have up and make it available to
you if you would want that.
-ken
Post by Jim Mehlhop
Post by Ken Connelly
In the long, LONG ago days, I used to run ANU-News here. That
worked okay, but the VMS filesystem really isn't well-suited for
news because the device holding the articles will become VERY
fragmented VERY quickly. I was trying to run a fairly complete
feed at the time. If you were looking at a limited number of
newsgroups, then this might be more of a doable thing.
I was looking to run a limited number of news groups. Also since I
am running V8.2 the directory can handle more files. The
fragmentation issue could be a pain.
How does one go about gettting/running ANU-News
Jim
Post by Ken Connelly
- ken
Post by Jim Mehlhop
I'd like to know how to set up my VMS box as a news server. I am
running Multinet 5.1 and OpenVMS8.2 Alpha on a PWS500au with 640
meg and about 60 GB of free disk space. I could probably
dedicate an 18GB disk for this.
Is there any documentation for this?
Jim
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Post by Paul Sture
Post by Arne Vajhøj
Post by Jim Mehlhop
I'd like to know how to set up my VMS box as a news server. I am
running Multinet 5.1 and OpenVMS8.2 Alpha on a PWS500au with 640 meg and
about 60 GB of free disk space. I could probably dedicate an 18GB disk
for this.
Is there any documentation for this?
Running a NNTP server is a real disk trasher.
10 years ago the most used NNTP server for VMS was
ANUNEWS.
You could try and find it.
Arne
There is a version of ANUNEWS on the Freeware 4 CDs.
http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware40/ANU-NEWS/
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Thanks Paul.

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Yehavi Bourvine (58-4279)
2006-10-22 07:33:37 UTC
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Post by Jim Mehlhop
I'd like to know how to set up my VMS box as a news server. I am
running Multinet 5.1 and OpenVMS8.2 Alpha on a PWS500au with 640 meg and
about 60 GB of free disk space. I could probably dedicate an 18GB
disk for this.
Is there any documentation for this?
Jim
I used ANUNEWS in the past (up to about 7-8 years ago). The problem was that
VMS couldn't hold the load of creating and deleting a lot of small files (each
item was a separate file). I finally moved it to a Linux server with Inn.

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2006-10-22 05:57:36 UTC
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Post by Yehavi Bourvine (58-4279)
I used ANUNEWS in the past (up to about 7-8 years ago). The problem was that
VMS couldn't hold the load of creating and deleting a lot of small files (each
item was a separate file). I finally moved it to a Linux server with Inn.
With the supposedly improved caching/file system in version 8.*, has
this made a big difference in performance for file create/delete when
there is a large directory ?

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